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Podcast recommendations for TV & Film fans

Updated: Apr 9

Episode 1 is out! And for our very first episode, we scoured the TV & Film podcast category and picked out over 10 podcasts to recommend to you.

--- episode notes ---

Here's a list of all of the podcasts that we recommend and discuss in this episode.


Part 1 (Podworld's top 3 TV & Film podcasts):

Mayo and Kermode’s Film Review (BBC Radio 5 Live), The West Wing Weekly (Joshua Malina & Hirshikesh Hirway), You Must Remember This (Karina Longworth) and Real Crime Profile (with Jim Clemente, Laura Richards and Lisa Zambetti)


Part 2 (guest interview):

Our guest podcaster was Mike Muncer creator of The Evolution of Horror. Mike also recommended the following podcasts: Slash Film Daily (SlashFilm.com), The Empire Film Podcast (Empire Magazine), Film Spotting (Kempenaar & Larsen), Gaylords of Darkness (Stacie Ponder).


Part 3 (extras):

We Hate Movies (Headgum), Inside Jaws (Wondery), Too Long Didn’t Watch (OBB Sound).


Listener recommendations:

WTF (Marc Maron), The Rewatchables (The Ringer & Bill Simmons)


--- full episode transcript ---

Louise (00:05):

Hello, and welcome to Podworld. A podcast about the podcasts that you should be listening to. I'm Louise Blaine


DMR (00:11):

And I'm David Maher Roberts, or DMR for those of you who know, me and welcome to you podcast fans!


Louise (00:15):

Yeah DMR. I... Hearing you as David, I cannot cope with, so you're just going to have to be DMR for the rest of this. Just saying.


DMR (00:28):

Did you know that there are 1.7 million different shows out there and 43 million individual episodes?


Louise (00:36):

You know, I think I did know that cause the minute I look at podcasts on my iPad or Spotify, it just becomes completely overwhelming. And I feel like I have a constant sense, I dunno about you, but I have a constant sense of FOMO. Like it doesn't matter that I've been listening to every other podcast. The minute I look at that, I think that I'm not part of the part of the discussion. So it's actually really difficult.


DMR (00:55):

And which is why we came up with this podcast, right? Because there's so much stuff out there. And we frequently end up in a little bubble of just listen to the same old thing. So we thought if only there was a show that could recommend what we should be listening to next.


Louise (01:08):

If only there was, and here you are listening to it now. So we've actually, um, we've both hosted podcasts before and I'll go onto those in a second. But each episode of this podcast will go through a different genre at a time. So whether you're up for improv comedy or you're hungry for more food podcasts to just make you endlessly cook things in your new instant pot, I feel seen, um, or you're maybe you want politics or self-help or entertainment. We basically pick out the best, uh, from those genres, we've got an interview with a creator or a host or a producer of a podcast in that genre and we'll break it down and hopefully by the end of it, you'll have a stack of recommendations.


DMR (01:44):

And that's our aim at the end of every episode, if you just take one of those recommendations and start listening to it or explore it, for us that's a win-win.


Louise (01:53):

Yeah. And if you love it and we'll give you contact details at the end of the show, but if you love it, let us know and recommend more to us, but just a little bit of a self plug DMR. Um, we've both hosted podcasts. So I've, um, hosted 'Killt', which is my true crime podcast about true crime podcast, which has kind of similar to this one and DMR hosts 'Seeking Out' about, um, new sort of young entrepreneurs and business. And also 'What Now?' So 'What Now?' is about marketing in 2020, right? DMR.


DMR (02:21):

Yeah, it was about it kicked off because of the pandemic and we were going, there's a massive shift in what's happening in business and marketing. And so we put together these 15, 20 minute podcasts of just interviews with people out there and go, what are you doing now that the pandemic has hit? How is that affecting a business?


Louise (02:37):

Nice. So, I mean, we're both partial to talking into a microphone. Um, you'll hear me on various places. You'll hear me on Radio 4, BBC Radio Scotland, and I have my own, uh, Radio 3 Sound of Gaming where I go through, uh, video game soundtracks and take sort of people on an audio adventure through, through those. But I think talking of audio adventures, um, that's kind of how I see podcasts. I mean, I love podcasts. I feel like I'm, I'm told a lot of stories that I've never heard before from voices that I've never heard before, but DMR, what appeals to you most about podcasts? Why, why are we here?


DMR (03:11):

Well, I saw something on Twitter the other day where they said a podcast is like a brain massage and they really, really spoke to me because I do have a really busy job and I run an agency, busy business stuff, dealing with people and clients and stuff, and actually to be able to listen to something that takes me completely away from that is like a form of meditation. It is like a brain massage. So, I loved, I loved that. So for me, I love the storytelling as well and, and discovering new things, listening to new voices. But it's that, it's the idea of just being intimately removed from what I, what I do on a day-to-day basis. It's, it's, it's the best,


Louise (03:47):

It is the best because everyone has their own place where they have this therapy, right. So I, when I'm getting ready in the morning and I'm straightening my hair and putting on my makeup for nobody to see in the middle lockdown by do it anyway, um, I that's when I listen to podcasts or when I'm doing chores, I think a lot of people maybe wouldn't do as many chores if there wasn't as many podcasts because suddenly I think on a Saturday morning, I'm like, Oh, I'll just stick on a podcast. And before I know it I've cleaned the place because actually it takes you away as well. They're quite, they're quite transformative. Um, so I think that's probably quite a good place to start, let some get on with Podworld.


music (04:35):

[Podworld theme music].


DMR (04:36):

So the reason we chose film podcasts for the very first episode is, is we were talking about which one should we go for a you went, I know what we all need in lockdown is we need more recommendations for home entertainment didn't you. Yeah. So we went, you know what, let's go and look for TV and film podcasts. And so we selected a handful of shows, um, that we think should be on your radar. And then later on in the show, we've got an interview with the host of the 'Evolution of Horror' podcast, a chap called Mike Muncer. So unsurprisingly, in this category, there's a truck load of shows. I mean, TV and movies, you know, who doesn't love TV and movies. And when we looked at this category, we found quite a few different formats. So you've got the, you know, the after show, the sort of watch with type format. And there's also some really quirky things like people watching bad movies together and having a laugh. But, but I think this all started this, this type of podcast all started with the sort of traditional review show. So I think finding a really solid place, um, with solid voices that talk about the type of movies or the movies you should go and watch and TV shows you go and watch is probably where we should start.


Louise (05:46):

Yeah, it's a good place to start. And I think we might have started with kind of panel shows, as people sort of found their feet with what podcasts were and this first show, which is Kermode and Mayo's Film Review on all of the podcast platforms. And we're starting with that because for me, I don't know about you, but it was my first podcast that I ever listened to. I loved movies. I wanted to work for Empire Magazine. So obviously I was going to listen to a film podcast and I can't even remember how I found it, but the first time I listened to it, I was using one of those big, chunky iPod classics covered in a horrible Silicon case that regardless of whether it be near anything, sticky was always sticky. I don't know how it was always sticky, but it's a very strange thing, but I can remember this very physical, having an iPod to listen to podcasts on, which was obviously where it actually came from.


DMR (06:31):

that's why they're called podcasts.


Louise (06:33):

So that is my first podcast experience. And it's basically Mark Kermode and Simon Mayo. Now, first of all, they just had it on a Friday afternoon on BBC radio five live and they just basically cut it and slammed it onto the podcast store. That was all the actually did. And it was about 40 minutes. And there'd be an interview with a Hollywood star because Mark Kermode, if you haven't heard of him pretty much a British institution in terms of film reviewers with his very standard, big black frame glasses and his duck's arse haircut. And, um, he's always been very outspoken and very, he's very charismatic to listen to, but what's really appealing even now all these years on is the fact that the tone between them is still the same banter. You know, it's really nice. The fact that even if you haven't listened to Kermode and Mayo for about 10 years, you can just load up the latest episode. And Simon Mayo has the same tone with Kermode as he always done, which is kind of like an exasperated parent thing. And it's just like, uh, I find it a really comforting space. I think, I think it's also important to say that this is just two dudes talking about movies that have been talking about movies for, I dunno, nigh on like 15 years now, but if you're going to listen to them, if you can listen to any, they're really good pair to listen to which I find really fun.


DMR (07:49):

What I was interested in, cause I haven't been listening to them for a while. I used to listen to them on radio. Um, and then I didn't really make the jump to, to podcasts with them. Um, but now that I'm addicted to Netflix and Amazon Prime, I was actually wondering, do they, do they cover those originals as well? Or do they stick to theatrical?


Louise (08:06):

No, they cover whatever Mark's been watching. Obviously cinema has changed. Um, they've now changed it to what people can watch at home, obviously because no one can get to the cinema. So they actually, they really had to pivot last year they had to, I think there was probably a lot of panicked meetings where they were like, ah, what are we going to cover guys? Cause nothing's coming to the cinema. But they, they really did, they brought in sort of things you could watch on iPlayer or things you can watch on streaming or things you can watch on Amazon Prime. So they did pivot it, a bit. Um, and really, I think now if people have been listening for a long time, people will actually listen to them, talk about anything. They don't, you know, they've become that sort of, that level of things where actually people would probably pay to listen to Kermode and Mayo talk as long as they mentioned a film and also what they do, which I really like is they've got loads of, um, listener letters. So they'll start by bringing people in. So while it might be these two guys gradually getting grumpier as they get older, they're also bringing in the listeners as well, which I think is really important. Okay, it's your turn, DMR. Go for it.


DMR (09:08):

So the one I picked, um, for this category is The West Wing Weekly. It's one of a number of podcasts that focus specifically on, on a show so that some of them, the format I think is called after show or watch with that sort of thing. And you can get it. There's one called talking Sopranos. There's the, um, there's Binge Mode Marvel Undressing Bridgerton. And, and one of my favorites as well, Monkey Tennis, which is the Alan Partridge Fan podcast,


Louise (09:41):

lovely, of course


DMR (09:42):

but, um, West Wing Weekly, uh, it's basically, I thought this was A. I'm a massive fan of the West Wing. Um, watched it when it came out on TV. Um, but also thought we got a brand new administration in the U.S. And I thought it was quite apt to single out this one as one of the sort of, um, after show type podcasts. And it's also a great excuse for me to reconnect with the show. Um, the, the shows basically two blokes. One is Josh Malina. He starred actually in the West Wing as Will Bailey, and then there's a Hrishikesh Hirway, who's a mega fan, but he's also a really, um, well known podcast host. He has, he has a podcast called Song Exploder, which is really cool. I don't know if you've heard of it. It's where musicians take apart their their songs piece by piece, which we should park for another, another episode of Podworld. Um, but the concept of West Wing Weekly is really simple. It's episode by episode, they go through the entire seven series and they just discuss in minute detail what happens in that episode. So like, if you're like me, you can either listen to that and actually relive in your head, the episodes, or you could also watch with them, watch the episode maybe the day before, and then listen to the podcast when you're on the road or commuting the following day. And that way you get what I call double binge.


Louise (11:00):

I'll be honest DMR. I think that one of the I've not I've, cultural confession. I've never watched the West Wing. And one of the reasons that I've never watched the West Wing is you just said the words seven seasons. And that is the kind of thing that literally brings me out in some kind of hives, because that was when, back in the day, seasons of TV shows were like 22 episodes, long, 24 episodes long. Hey and they had a mid mid-season break. And the reason they had a mid season break was because the actors had literally done 12 shows and they needed to stop for the summer. And now we are, of a world where at max, you're going to get 13 episodes of a TV show. Nine feels a lot six feels acceptable, four, I love so now. And then that's why, so I know it's wonderful. And I'm quite aware that given the current political situation, it would probably not even feel remotely like fiction, but that's why I have never, I've never done it, but the appeal of the binge podcast, I love this idea of double bingeing it's the fact that I do it a lot with documentaries where the minute I've stopped watching a documentary and go to bed. I ended up right on Wikipedia or on Reddit. And it's basically a podcast version of that. It's just like having that feed into your head. So you're just getting constantly like, this is fine. Look, people love this thing.


DMR (12:14):

Yeah. I do. I do like the way that, um, modern technology has allowed us to basically, uh, not just have to wait, you know, for a Tuesday every week to be able to get a little bit of our favorite show or something that you can, you can, you can just fill your boots basically. And, and that is something that's for, well, for people who get obsessive about anything, it's just, it's just fantastic.


Louise (12:39):

It's weird. Isn't it? Because I don't like when I was growing up, I was absolutely obsessed with Buffy the vampire Slayer and actually, um, our guests, Mike Muncer, he's done for the Evolution of Horror, they did a special Buffy the vampire Slayer season, but I think there's something quite, that's gone about the experience that I had of Buffy, which was watching every week at 6:45 on BBC two or wherever it was and recording it obsessively on a VHS. And I think that's why now we especially appreciate being able to binge all this stuff. And it's because we couldn't previously do it. And it's like, you don't know your barn, you don't know your barn when you can watch all episodes of something. Because by part of me is like, did we lose something? Do you think we lose something DMR? There's something gone about the waiting narratively for what happens?


DMR (13:28):

I think we did. You lose something, but you gained something. It's always that balance. It's the same with, you know, I've gone back to vinyl with music because I felt we lost something with Spotify, but we gained a huge amount with Spotify as well. You know? So it's about, I think if you can do both, I think there's, there's some shows that still do the weekly, um, the weekly gap. Um, and I do appreciate that. Actually. I liked the fact that sometimes for some shows, they're saying, no, you're going to have to wait


Louise (13:53):

You're gonna have to wait. I liked, I liked the, I liked it with Game of Thrones. Um, the, the relentless passion for Game of Thrones every week. And that's, I think part of its downfall really is the fact that it's not the hype around what people expected from it could never actually happen at the end. You know, there was never going to be a magical thing for it. So I think it, it does have its benefits absolutely where that excitement happens. But I think, um, yes, for podcasts that just keeps supporting our love of things and constantly, constantly reaffirming our loves.


DMR (14:28):

So the next podcast that you've chosen is a really interesting one that I'd never heard of until you recommend it to me. So I got deep into it over the last week


music (14:47):

[theme music]


Louise (14:52):

This is, You Must Remember This, uh, by a producer and presenter and editor called Karina Longworth. And I got into, You Must Remember This because she did a season specifically called you must remember Manson. And as you know, my true crime obsession runs deep DMR. It runs deep. So I wanted to find out all about, uh, Charles Manson and his cult. And it was very, it turns out it was very, very intertwined with Hollywood and the late 20th century, as we've seen. And Quentin Tarantino's once upon a time in Hollywood, there's really lots of sort of feelers between them. But it turns out that Korina Longworth's main podcast, which is just, You Must Remember This is about, Hollywood's what she calls the secrets and forgotten history of Hollywood's first century. So there's a lot to work with. Like there's a lot of history there, but it's, she does all of the research.


Louise (15:41):

She does all of the writing and it's, she goes, into sort of seasonal dives into people like Polly Platt, who was the sort of invisible woman behind so much of late 20th century Hollywood success is basically behind every male director. It turns out there's actually a really successful female editor. Um, but she also did a season, which I really enjoyed on the Disney's very controversial movie Song of the South. And I foolishly with my white privilege hadn't actually realized exactly how horrifically racist Song of the South was until I listened to it. And there's a seven episode breakdown of that and the, basically the history of it and the production of it. And even the response at the time to Song of the South was this is really racist. We shouldn't have made this, but I didn't, I didn't, I didn't know all of that history. So she really opens up history in a really accessible way. And she does this amazing thing where it's, it's not dramatized in any way, but she really brings it to life with sounds and world noise and her music is always amazing. It's really atmospheric. So it always feels like such a, yes, it's a history lesson, but it's an amazing film history lesson about things that you would, you would just never know. And I mean, it's been a while since she's done her last episode, I hope she's just working on a whole new season, but it's, it's really, really good stuff.


DMR (16:59):

Yeah. There's a, there's a huge treasure trove there of episodes. Cause I didn't know this until you mentioned it and I sort of dug in and I just picked out the ones I picked out was simply because I recognize some of the characters. So being a child of the eighties, I picked out the, uh, the two Madonna episodes because Madonna was huge for, for us in the eighties in terms of just going from that, uh, initial album and then appearing in Desperately Seeking Susan. And it was all of that, you know, she tells the beginnings of that, that part, but then also Madonna then really wanted to be an actress clearly, but maybe wasn't as good an actress as she was a, an entertainer in the pop world. And then she was, you know, marrying Sean Penn and then marrying into the Hollywood family, I guess is.


Louise (17:41):

Yeah.


DMR (17:42):

And it was just great. So I definitely want to go back and listen to a few more episodes.


Louise (17:46):

I think it's cool as well because it's got that whole, it feels very removed from, you're not watching it on Netflix. You're not watching it anywhere else. You are just getting it from this one dedicated niche place. But I think it's also, and this is bonus sort of recommendations is if you are watching documentaries and things on Netflix, there are always podcasts which are then discussing those. And I'm really big fan. This is a bonus one A Real Crime Profile, which will then break down sort of your Netflix true crimes. They'll break down Tiger King or The Keepers or all of these things. And Real Crime Profile is done by, um, Jim Clemente. Who's an ex FBI profiler and Laura Richards, who's ex Scotland yard. And she's also a campaigner for people talking about coercive control. So it's these the, again, it's another set of voices that are lending the professional opinion to what you've watched as well. Because while we think that the documentary films that we watch are the story and they're facts, and actually you actually then bring in ex police and ex you know, people who work in this field and you go, actually some of this is bullshit. You know, this is absolute nonsense. So I really enjoy that kind of podcast too. And they'd just done. I really just did a three episodes or four episodes on there's a Starz Play documentary at the moment up at the Nexium cult. And they basically sport to the showrunners about why they made it, their attitudes to it. And that kind of thing really appeals to me as well. So having podcasts that can tell historical stories, podcasts that can review things for us, just in a sort of nice talky way, reassert our love of things and take us to new places. And it's like, all of that just lives in the TV and film category. So I think we have a lot of food for thought DMR. And what we'll do is if you are looking for, if you've listened, you don't need to desperately take notes right now, we will have them fully in the podcast show notes, so you can go back and all of them will be there. So don't worry. Stop writing. You're going to lose that note anyway, it's fine.


music (19:51):

[Podworld theme music]


Louise (19:51):

So you don't just get exhausted hearing our voices every two weeks on Podworld. Uh, we're going to have an interview with a podcast creator or host or producer of the genre that we are talking about. And this episode, I got to speak to my actually very good friend, Mike Muncer, the host of The Evolution of Horror


music (20:16):

[theme music]


Louise (20:17):

Is it just me, or is the Halloween franchise kind of confusing if Laurie Strode was supposed to be dead in part four why is she alive and well in H2O? Why are Michael and Laurie brother and sister in some movies, but not brother and sister in others? Does Michael kill because of his damaged upbringing because of a creepy death cult or because he's simply pure evil.


Louise (20:40):

So, I would really like to welcome our first guest on Podworld, Mr. Mike Muncer from the Evolution of Horror. Hello Mike.


Mike Muncer (20:48):

Hello Louise. Thank you for having me.


Louise (20:51):

So this is quite strange for us because full transparency, I have been on the Evolution of Horror and lucky enough for us to be great friends and do things like FrightFest together. So it's a bit of a strange thing for me to be interviewing you. In fact, I feel like I have phenomenal cosmic power here


Mike Muncer (21:07):

And, and actually it's a real treat for me as well, because I quite enjoy just getting to sit and, and answer questions. This is a treat for me.


Louise (21:16):

Yes, it works both ways. This is exciting. So for anyone who hasn't heard of the Evolution of Horror, could you just break it down and tell me how long you've been running and what kind of drove you in the first place to start the podcast?


Mike Muncer (21:27):

Yeah, of course. So Evolution of Horror is a, it's basically just a movie discussion podcast really, but it focuses on the horror genre, but the way that it's structured is I sort of separate the horror genre into different seasons of episodes that focus on different areas. Cause horror, as we know, Louise is so broad. It's not just crazy man, with a knife or a ghost in the attic. You know, there are so many different types of horror out there from so many different cultures and nations around the world from different eras. So essentially the podcast kind of looks at a different area or sub genre like slasher movies or ghost movies or zombie movies. And then week by week, we discuss different movies in chronological order from kind of silent cinema to now and each week I'm joined by different guests to discuss that movie with me, guests like yourself, journalists, critics, writers, uh, horror filmmakers, uh, all different types of people, just horror fans as well. Really. So essentially it's a kind of nerdy, uh, film discussion podcast, but hopefully one that also lends a bit of a, a sort of educational and sort of analytical view as well to the genre.


Louise (22:36):

When you were, when you decided you wanted to set it up, did you feel it, this was a sort of labor of love for you that it was something that you hadn't heard before? There are a lot of movie podcasts out there, but it always feels like as horror fans, we kind of get left in the dust or previously horror fans. You know, when grown-up critics were reviewing horror movies, they never really took them seriously. I always felt like it would always get three stars and it's like, that's totally a four or five star movie. You just don't like horror. So did you feel like it just wasn't being represented properly and took it into your own hands?


Mike Muncer (23:08):

Yeah pretty much like I, my background is in television production and I've worked for BBC and channel four and all these different production companies. And I always try to try to pitch ideas for kind of movie documentaries and particularly, particularly horror ones. And there's just no interest in it basically. And, and, uh, you're right. Horror is, has always been a subject that is kind of sneered upon. And, uh, so I did, I just took it into my own hands really. And I really just started it as an exercise for me. And I didn't really expect anyone to listen to it. Cause I thought this is so unbelievably niche, you know, listening to two people, talk for two hours about some Japanese horror movie from 30 years ago or something. And, but I thought I'm just going to do it for me. And so I started it about three years ago in 2017 and to my shock, more than anyone else's, I think it has ended up kind of really capturing a lot of horror fans imaginations. And maybe it's because like you said there is that there is that maybe there was a gap for it. And despite how many hundreds and thousands of movie discussion podcasts there are out there, maybe there are less, so that focus on horror and maybe even less so that actually lends a slightly more analytical eye to horror as well and, and give it the clout that it deserves, because I think there are probably a lot of horror podcasts out there that are just a couple of mates in their bedroom talking about how much they love Friday the 13th part nine or something. And I trying to sort of cater to a different group of people, people like us that actually love and care about the genre and, and kind of want to take it seriously and celebrate it as well.


Louise (24:44):

I think it is that celebration. I think that's why, you know, listening every, you know, listening every week or catching up on sort of four or five episodes when they build up. And the fact that you've, you've not just made this, it was a weekly podcast coming out. You've also now got a Patreon. You do bonus episodes, you go to festivals, you and I have done FrightFest, the sort of annual, the twice annual film festival for horror fans. But did you see all of that happening or do you feel like that was a sort of natural progression for it?


Mike Muncer (25:13):

No, I did not see any of this happening truly. Like I really, really thought, you know, what are the chances of it even getting a significant audience that people listen to it let alone that it would become anything else. Like you say, it's almost become a kind of an outlet, an official kind of, um, sort of, yeah, like a podcast magazine really about, uh, horror. So like you said, we cover festivals and new releases and I get to interview filmmakers at press junkets and, and all through this, this little podcast that I made up. And then also, yeah, the Patreon is absolutely unbelievable, really. And you know, that is for anyone who doesn't know, Patreon is a kind of, um, it's a little bit like Kickstarter or something like that, but you put an existing project on Patreon and people who listen and like your podcast can choose to support it and donate a bit of money every month. And for that, you can, you can give them whatever bonus episodes or you can send them a sticker or whatever it might be. And I started kind of making bonus episodes to encourage people to donate on Patreon. And now that is almost as big as the podcast itself. So I'm kind of juggling both at the same time, but again, it's, I mean, I can't complain about that. I mean, cause it's actually bringing money in now as well, and it's just an unbelievable treat. So yeah. Who knew?


Louise (26:29):

I love the fact that I once got a mail from a man I did not know called Mike Muncer saying, would you like to talk about horror with me? I know this has almost pretty much, I mean, I mean, it must be a significant part of your sort of full-time job. Now. I know you work across multiple places, but surely this has crept massively into your so-called day job.


Mike Muncer (26:45):

It's amazing. Really that's the thing. And I think now I am able to justify it as part of my full-time day job. Yeah. Like I, I'm a producer and I work in television and online stuff and digital video media. Um, and I've always been kind of self-employed and, and uh, part time. And I think now because of Patreon and because of everything else, I'm kind of able to justify to myself, right. I need to spend at least a day, two days per week just on the podcast. And, uh, and that's what I do now. Yeah. I kind of spend three days a week on my quote unquote day job, my proper job, and then a couple of days a week on the podcast. And you know, that is, that is literally a dream come true. Really.


Louise (27:26):

I think you can always tell exactly how much you relish and love, especially if you're listening to it. And if you, if you haven't listened to an episode and you really, really should, Mike likes to intro and occasionally scatter throughout the episode, audio from movies and they're obviously scary movies, but you managed to find the most horrifying and terrifying moments because obviously audio is a very, very different medium from video. You work across both, but you bring in, I mean, I was listening to don't listen to it if you haven't watched it, the sound from Martyrs, especially in an episode of just this woman screaming. And you think, I don't, I don't know if I should put this on when I'm driving. So if you are, dear listener going to listen, the Evolution of Horror do start at the beginning, do you start with slashers or ghosts?


Mike Muncer (28:11):

Yeah. I started with Slasher movies. Yeah. Yeah.


Louise (28:15):

You automatically get some great audio from those things. Do you like to scare people? Do you ever get a little bit of feedback to see that you, you managed to do a proper jump scare?


Mike Muncer (28:23):

Yeah, I do. And that is, I really feel like that's so important. I think that if you, you know, the problem with kind of film criticism and academia is that it can sometimes suck the fun or the magic out of a film, can't it. And I think, you know, that was really something I was keen to keep was that feel of horror, like just in the tone of the podcast. So the theme music, the clips, the intros, I wanted to kind of evoke whatever it was that that film was about, I suppose. So when I talk about something like Beetlejuice or Ghostbusters, it had a much more kind of jovial jokey intro, but if I'm doing something like Martyrs, yeah. I, I wanna, I wanna play a clip of a woman screaming. I want to show people that like, what you're about to listen to is, is disturbing and hardcore, and that's what we're going to discuss. And that's what we're going to try and unpick. So again like that kind of tonal mix that you get in the horror genre, whether it's just kind of spooky ghost train thrills or something much more disturbing, uh, again, I kind of wanted to really sort of evoke that mood in the podcast itself. Yeah. So that's just lots of fun for me as well.


Louise (29:28):

Well, it's definitely lots of fun when you're listing, but maybe not so when you suddenly drop something, cause you're doing the dishes at the same time. You do keep me company doing the dishes a lot, Mike, when I'm not on the podcast. It's like, yep. I can, they don't have to listen to myself. I can listen to everyone else. And it's great. Um,


Mike Muncer (29:43):

I can only Apologize for any broken dishes or glasses.


Louise (29:47):

Insurance should cover it. There should be Evolution of Horror insurance, um, in terms of growing the community. The, the lovely thing is that there's an Evolution of Horror Facebook group, and it's just one of the most lovely, welcoming places. Was that was that kind of a lovely surprise?


Mike Muncer (30:03):

Horror seems to attract a bit like, I suppose, a bit like science fiction, would that kind of community, kind of, you know, anything that has a kind of cult following you, don't just get people that kind of enjoy it and dip their toe into it. You get people that love it. Absolutely love it. That it is like their life, you know, people that go to conventions, people that go to festivals, people that dress up, you know, whatever else. And so naturally that kind of tapping into that niche has, uh, has, it has kind of, um, it's led to this incredible community. There's a, there's a Facebook discussion group. Like you mentioned that now has nearly, I think it has about 2000 people in it that, you know, are just some of the loveliest people and is, you know, what, it's like Louise, it's like, there's people chatting about the podcast and about whatever else, almost every, you know, several times a day.


Louise (30:50):

It's lovely, it's genuinely lovely to be a part of.


Mike Muncer (30:52):

It really is. And through that, I've, I've actually, you know, met people. They've had group meetups. Um, I think there was one point me and you, Louise, we went and popped along. Didn't we to a bunch of people from that Facebook group decided to all go to the cinema together, to see Texas Chainsaw Massacre together on its anniversary. And we went in and said, hello at the pub. And people are just off their own back meeting up from that discussion group. I've met so many amazing people. Um, uh, we even through, uh, a listener of the podcast who is also then ended up becoming a regular contributor on the podcast, Becky Dark. She, um, I met her through that group and she ended up kind of almost becoming a kind of social secretary for this group. And she threw a Halloween party, uh, from a couple of years back and invited listeners of the podcast and people in that world. And again, it was this amazing turnout of people, all in fancy dress and actually Louise, I don't know if you know this, but there are two people who actually got together at that party and they are still together now. And so if they end up getting, getting married, I want to officiate, I'm taking full responsibility basically for this Evolution of Horror couple.


Louise (32:00):

Is it, is it an American word to get ordained so that you can perform the marriage?


Mike Muncer (32:04):

Yes, exactly. Exactly. That's what I want to do.


Louise (32:07):

Yeah that would be perfect. I did not know that there was an Evolution of Horror couple. That's incredible.


Mike Muncer (32:13):

Isn't it?


Louise (32:14):

I think, I think if we cast it a little wider and talk about podcasts in general, that we, I think there really is something very intimate about podcasting, because I have met friends through, you know, the Evolution of Horror and other podcasts that I've been on. And then people who listen to podcasts, because there's something very intimate about listening to someone and feeling, you know, honest. And it it's, that thing is now I've seen that meme pop-up of Donnie Darko and it's like, did you make a new friend today? And it doesn't say real or imaginary. It says real or podcast hosts.


Mike Muncer (32:46):

Yes, exactly. That. Yeah.


Louise (32:49):

Yeah I think I do think there's something really personable about spending, and also, people spend two hours listening to you every week.


Mike Muncer (32:58):

Unbelievable. I think I totally agree. I mean, I, as a podcast listener and podcast fan feel the same way there are podcasts I listened to religiously that I support on Patreon and I feel like I know these people, it's like an, especially right now, the last year it's been like a warm blanket, I think of like hearing voices that, you know, and love and hearing people talk about stuff that you're interested in and there's that familiarity. And there is a weird sense of a kind of family or friendship that you get. And yeah, it's really nice to know that people have the same with, with this podcast as well. And, you know, people do people do now kind of almost feel a sort of ownership over the podcast in a weird way. And sometimes I'm like, Oh, that can go one way or the other. Cause it means that people can be, people can choose to be pretty critical of the podcast at times as well. But I have to keep telling myself actually that is, I think that comes from a place of love to, you know, when people are like, Oh, I was disappointed to hear that you didn't cover this movie or that you thought this about this movie. And there's a lot of that. And people would discuss what they thought of, you know, our discussion last week and whatever. And I think all of that is part of it. Isn't it? It's all part of being part of that world. Part of that family that a podcast creates, I think.


Louise (34:07):

And I think going further with that there's there is that you do feel an ownership with it because if you have listened for a long time, that person then becomes almost an extension of you because if you can't see them and they can't be your friend. So when you do say something, that's potentially not what that person agree with agrees with, or you haven't mentioned something, of course, they're going to go, Hey, remember that thing, you forgot that we both, like, we clearly both like those things, but when you're talking about, um, who you listen to religiously, are there any specific movie podcasts that you listen to that you can't get get through the week with, without?


Mike Muncer (34:41):

Yeah, I I'm such a nerd pretty much. I'm such a movie nerd that pretty much all of my podcasts are movie podcasts, to be honest, a lot of the people I know that present them. So there are other horror podcasts, like the Final Girls, which Anna Bogutskaya, a really good friend of mine. She runs a kind of, you've been on before. Exactly. She runs a kind of, sort of a collective, I suppose she calls it where she used to host sort of public screenings of horror films. And now she does a podcast and it really looks at horror from a sort of feminist perspective as well. And in America, there are similar podcasts. There's one called Gaylords of Darkness, which looks at horror from a sort of queer perspective. And I kind of love listening to the slightly more, slightly more off mainstream, I suppose, horror podcasts that again, from voices that you don't necessarily expect. So those are some of my favorites and just general film podcasts, like anyone else in the world, who's interested in movies. I listened to Wittertainment with Mark Kermode, Empire podcast over in America ones like Slash Film and Film Spotting. Um, I love it all. I love it all. I love to keep up to date with anything movie related, to be honest. So yeah, those are just a handful of the ones that I'm addicted to.


Louise (35:55):

Amazing. And I guess we need to wrap this up. You and I could talk about films and talk about podcasts about films for a long time, but where can people find you online? Where can they find the podcast?


Mike Muncer (36:06):

Thank you. Um, so you can find the podcast in all the normal places where you get your podcasts, whether it's Spotify or Apple podcasts or whatever it might be, you can pretty much get it anywhere. If you head on to our website, evolutionofhorror.com, you can find a kind of back catalog of all of the films we've covered all of the different seasons. You can filter it into different guests. So if you want to hear our episode with Mark Kermode, or if you want to hear our episode with Kim Newman or Mike Flanagan or Louise Blaine, you can listen to whoever you want to listen to on that way, or just follow us on Twitter at evolutionpod.


Louise (36:41):

Perfect. Well, thank you so much for being our first guest and happy scaring, Mike.


Mike Muncer (36:47):

Thank you so much. Happy, spookies.


music (36:58):

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DMR (36:58):

So in the last part of the podcast we thought we would just throw a few more recommendations your way just to make sure you get plenty of recommendations of plenty of podcasts to go and check out. Because in doing the research and listening to hours and hours of podcasts, we came across a few other weird and wonderful things basically.


Louise (37:16):

Just a few, just a few. I think, I think the minute you start looking in this delightful treasure trove, you're like, well, I know have enough things to listen to for the rest of my life. It's a good thing we're in lockdown and I can't do anything else because there's a lot on.


DMR (37:31):

There is. And it's, uh, it's just, it's just perfect because there's always some dead time and actually to try and escape right now is, is a nice thing to do. When I was looking around, I found this podcast, We Hate Movies, which I thought it stood out being that most of the podcasts are about people loving stuff. And it's, it's basically a bunch of friends and they force themselves to watch bad movies together. And, um, they're quite a gang. There's, there's different people in at different times, lots of different voices. And it's just a generally silly podcast where they try and do the impressions of the main characters. So they get, they go off on some really weird tangents. It's it's to you and I from the video games world. I see it as a little bit like a let's play, but audio let's play. Yeah, audio let's play, but they're watching a bad movie and they'd been doing this for 10 years. There's there's 520 something episodes of this stuff.


Louise (38:24):

So if you wanted to go back, you literally could watch all of these movies with them. I think there's a big appeal in bad movies. Um, I've been on a podcast and the guys are amazing and they have a big community, called Strong Language and Violent Scenes. Um, and it's a horror movie. Again, it's a horror movie podcast, but one of the reasons I was on it was because they get you to pick your sort of guiltiest pleasure, which you then have to justify. And there is probably nothing more because everyone hears people talk about how much they love things, but hearing someone talk about why they love a really bad thing is actually really good. I talked about, there's a James Wan movie called Dead Silence, which is about ventriloquist dummies. And honestly, I know it's trash, but it's also not trash. You know, it was the first movie that Leigh Whannell and James Wan made after Saw. And nobody liked it except me. But again, it's scary, it's creepy. And it's got really big, the production values in it are great. And I think that's why, you know, people want to talk about things they love and people want to defend things they love. And I think, you know, Mike was talking about how people have an ownership of movies and that's why when people sort of disagree with them on the evolution of horror, they'll tell them, you know, they'll say, well, you didn't feature this or why didn't you do this? And it's because podcasts, cultivate this sense of community that you probably won't get anywhere else.


DMR (39:42):

Yeah. It's that level of intimacy. I think it's so different to, to video or any other format. I think that's, that's the beauty of, of the podcast and the, and the audio,


Louise (39:51):

The added magic. So the, the podcast that I found, which I can't believe I hadn't found already is called Inside Jaws. And it's from Wondery who have recently been, um, the recently were bought by Amazon. I don't know if the deal has fully gone through yet, but Wondery obviously a podcast giant. So they tend to do all the big, especially the big crime podcasts. They've got a lot of those going on, but they have a lot across the board. Um, and so Wondery has produced Inside Jaws, which is a little bit like it's a bit of a documentary. So it's obviously behind the scenes on Steven Spielberg's jaws, but it's also a lot more than that. It's kind of a sort of audio drama version of, of, uh, although it's, uh, it's taught in a story by one person doing lots of voices. It's someone talking about the, sort of the history behind the movie, but also the people. So it's a lovely, it's got a lovely history of Steven Spielberg and how he used to sneak into the universal backlot repeatedly just to learn how to make movies. And that's before I even, you know, I've, I've not even got to the section where you know that the shark's broken. It's just this lovely. And it's also got some really, if, if jaws made you afraid of the sea, this is really terrifying. It's got the sort of history, the 1916 history when they didn't think sharks were eating people, they're like fish, don't eat people. And then people started getting eaten on beaches and it's got these lovely sort of, and he was swimming out to sea and he could see his shadow on the sand. And I said, Oh no, no, he's going to get eaten by a shark. And that's why I'm listening, but it takes, it's this great journey. And, and it's, um, they've also done. I think they did Inside Psycho and they did Inside The Exorcist, which are absolutely next on my list, now I've discovered this. But it's, it feels very different to your traditional trivia section on IMDB. You know, it's, it's quite cool.


DMR (41:33):

It goes very deep as well. So that's what that's, again, one of the benefits of these, of the podcast, how deep you can go into a subject or into a, into a show.


Louise (41:41):

Yeah. And also I think everything on this is, I don't know about you. And I think I should, I do know about you you'll listen to a podcast and then you immediately tell people to listen to it. And people are like, I'm already going through the thing you told me to listen to last time. But if you do have a minute to do, do load up Inside Jaws and be afraid.


DMR (42:00):

But that's what we're doing here is we're telling people to listen to stuff. And then in two weeks time, we'll give them a whole bunch of other podcasts to listen to. Yeah. Just listen to podcasts. And, uh, in looking through the whole category, I came across a brand new podcast. So I thought it'd be good in this sort of end section to think about if there's new podcasts to talk about that maybe only have one or two episodes, um, we should maybe talk about them. And this one is called Too Long Didn't Watch. And I absolutely love the idea of it. So it's, it's a collaboration between Rolling Stone and OBB Sounds. And it's basically they bring a famous actor and, uh, they get them to watch the pilot and the final episode of a big TV franchise. And they basically get them to talk about it and summarize it and etc. So they, they're there to summarize something for us, the audience in the fact that they've just watched the first and the last episode. So it's actually quite cool format. And the very first episode is Jon Hamm from Mad Men. And he's looking at Gossip Girl. So the concept is so, and it is really, really funny. And they've got after that, they got Alison Brie. Who's actually currently in Promising Young Women and she watches. Exactly. Yeah. And she's watching Game of Thrones because she'd never actually watched it. So she watched the first episode and the last episodes, imagine trying to define that.


Louise (43:21):

Do you know what, especially with Game of Thrones. I bet it's easier to get from that, to that than the way it actually worked out.


DMR (43:29):

Yeah. Yeah. I can imagine doing Lost would be another weird one as well.


Louise (43:34):

Oh gosh. But yeah, that is, that is a concept that I automatically want to hear everyone that I like do about the shows that I like.


DMR (43:40):

So as this is our first episode, we don't actually have listeners right now, um, to do this, to do this listen recommendations, but you are, that can change that. Right. So, um, so what we do have is friends, which we're very lucky. We have some friends, so we asked them and a lot of them are massively into TV and film anyway. Um, and so we asked a couple of those and they have some of their own recommendations that they've written into us, like a proper like radio show or something.


Louise (44:08):

So I'll start with Ellen who says the best TV and film podcast is WTF. It's long form, incredibly candid with massive stars saying stuff you wouldn't hear them say anywhere else. It offers real star-powered insight in a straight-shooting often very funny way. Now I haven't listened to a lot of WTF, but what I have listened to is amazing. And I can absolutely wholeheartedly second that from Ellen.


DMR (44:32):

And I've got one from Sean. He Whatsapped me about this and he was going absolute favorite movie podcast is The Rewatchables, which actually does feature frequently in the, um, you know, the most, the most popular podcast in this category. I love it because it's a deep, luxurious dive into one movie that quite often I didn't realize I actually liked so much. So the team on The Rewatchables discuss why the movie works so well before answering regular magazine style category questions. You know, what's the most rewatchable scene, what's aged the best, casting what ifs, all of that sort of stuff.


Louise (45:07):

I think the reason that is good is because they're all the discussions that you have with your friends after you watch something. And even the entire idea of rewatching. And I love the fact that he said, deep luxurious dive. Like it's a giant bath of movies. And that's what it is. I think that's what appeals about rewatching movies is that actually rewatching things is really reassuring. I know a lot of people over the first lockdown, um, rewatched, their favorite movies, they didn't watch anything new, they, they didn't, they didn't have the brain capacity for new stories. They just wanted the reassuring old stories, which I think again is why something like Disney Plus flourished so much. Cause everyone was like, Oh, I'm going to watch Mowana again.


DMR (45:47):

Totally. I, I get that. That sort of bathing of your mental health is back to my sort of massage or meditation.


Louise (45:53):

The podcast spa.


DMR (45:55):

Yeah, podcast spa. I have kids who are getting on now. They're like 21 and 16, but they, during lockdown, you know what they always did. They just went back to Harry Potter as an audiobook. And as, as movies cause they grew up during that whole Harry Potter era and that's, they felt that that's what they needed during, during a tough time. So I totally get that.


Louise (46:13):

It's nourishing, isn't it, there's something nourishing about the stories we've had. And also that there's also the films that we never rewatch and that we won't rewatch. And actually one thing about podcasts, I don't re-listen. Do you ever re-listen to a podcast?


DMR (46:27):

No, I have not. That's a whole new, it's a whole new genre, The Relistenables, the episodes that were so good. They had to be listened to several times.


Louise (46:40):

Well, you can do that with this podcast, but don't because you've got lots of other things to listen to and they're in the show notes. So go to those now.


DMR (46:46):

Yeah. All the recommendations in the show notes and uh, that's probably us getting to the end of this very first episode.


Louise (46:52):

So yes, well done. Thank you. If you got to this stage, congratulations for completing our first episode. Congratulations, DMR.


DMR (47:00):

Well done, thank you Lou.


Louise (47:00):

So we have another episode in two weeks time. DMR what is it? We have an exciting new category.


DMR (47:07):

So we picked our next category as the history category actually goes quite well with, um, You Must Remember This.


Louise (47:15):

Yes, yes it does. If you want to go further into, further back in time, then join us in two weeks and we will have an exciting, I'm not going to reveal, but we have an exciting interview as well.


music (47:28):

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Louise (47:28):

Thank you for listening to Podworld. Uh, get in touch with us on Twitter. We've got podpodworld, uh, which is where more puns live. And if, let us know if you've got any recommendations, comments about the show or reactions to any of the recommendations that we've made. We'd, we'd really like to hear from you.


DMR (47:44):

Absolutely. And thank you so much for listening and we'll see you in a couple weeks time.


Music (48:07):

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